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		<title>By: The Best Work From Home Ideas To Get Away From Your Day-Job &#124; Make Fast Money Online</title>
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		<title>By: Day Job &#8212; The Hypnagogic State</title>
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		<dc:creator>Day Job &#8212; The Hypnagogic State</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Balancing day and er, not day &#124; deborahb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balancing day and er, not day &#124; deborahb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I think Eden Robins’ post over at Ecstatic Days is the picture-perfect day-job description. If you’re a similar kinda writer as me, that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shane Hoversten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane Hoversten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes all kinds, obviously, but I&#039;m in the middle of Going Back To School for the 3rd time and I am crazy-ass busy; but I am also in the process of being insanely productive, more productive by far than at any other point, including traveling the world, living on other continents &quot;writing&quot; full time, working a mindless technical job, working a mindless non-technical job, and hanging around cafes unemployed.  I have pretty much been at every possible point in the employment column space.

Now, I&#039;ve had trouble sleeping for most of my adult life.  Since the semester started, it&#039;s never happened, not once, owing to profound mental exhaustion every single day.  And yet there&#039;s this productivity to account for.  So here&#039;s what I think is the trick, so far: 1) the thing for which you Go Back To School has to honest-to-god matter.  You have to think it means something and is important.  If it&#039;s just a delaying tactic I don&#039;t think it will work.  The CSCI PhD attempt fell into this category and could not have been a worse failure.  2) write in the mornings.  I think this is everything.  There&#039;s no f&#039;ing way I would write a single damn thing if I had to do it after I came home.  No way.  Right now I do it before I do anything else, and in those moments the story has my entire mind to itself.

Between those two things I have struck a very happy medium, writing-wise, and it&#039;s working the way nothing else ever has.  So I would advise anybody to take that creative and exhausting job, if it matters to you, even if you&#039;re working every waking moment, so long as the first bunch of waking moments are occupied with your fiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes all kinds, obviously, but I&#8217;m in the middle of Going Back To School for the 3rd time and I am crazy-ass busy; but I am also in the process of being insanely productive, more productive by far than at any other point, including traveling the world, living on other continents &#8220;writing&#8221; full time, working a mindless technical job, working a mindless non-technical job, and hanging around cafes unemployed.  I have pretty much been at every possible point in the employment column space.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ve had trouble sleeping for most of my adult life.  Since the semester started, it&#8217;s never happened, not once, owing to profound mental exhaustion every single day.  And yet there&#8217;s this productivity to account for.  So here&#8217;s what I think is the trick, so far: 1) the thing for which you Go Back To School has to honest-to-god matter.  You have to think it means something and is important.  If it&#8217;s just a delaying tactic I don&#8217;t think it will work.  The CSCI PhD attempt fell into this category and could not have been a worse failure.  2) write in the mornings.  I think this is everything.  There&#8217;s no f&#8217;ing way I would write a single damn thing if I had to do it after I came home.  No way.  Right now I do it before I do anything else, and in those moments the story has my entire mind to itself.</p>
<p>Between those two things I have struck a very happy medium, writing-wise, and it&#8217;s working the way nothing else ever has.  So I would advise anybody to take that creative and exhausting job, if it matters to you, even if you&#8217;re working every waking moment, so long as the first bunch of waking moments are occupied with your fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay, I intuitively found a job that satisfies all but #4, but I do work slightly reduced hours (8:30 am to 4:30 pm). Woohooo!

In all seriousness, though, my professors gave me much of this advice before I graduated, and I... didn&#039;t listen. So for a year, I worked a full time job in a creative field that left me exhausted. It was really hard to take the leap and quit that job, but I did it, and it&#039;s been marvelous for my writing.

Great advice. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay, I intuitively found a job that satisfies all but #4, but I do work slightly reduced hours (8:30 am to 4:30 pm). Woohooo!</p>
<p>In all seriousness, though, my professors gave me much of this advice before I graduated, and I&#8230; didn&#8217;t listen. So for a year, I worked a full time job in a creative field that left me exhausted. It was really hard to take the leap and quit that job, but I did it, and it&#8217;s been marvelous for my writing.</p>
<p>Great advice. :)</p>
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		<title>By: DeskJobWriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeskJobWriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Posting anonymously for perhaps obvious reasons, but I&#039;ve had two professional jobs in between/after my MFA and they were both of the worst &quot;look busy&quot; desk job variety--the work itself was ok, but just not sufficient to fill up an 8/9 hour work day. To me, this is terrific and ideal: all I need to write is a word processor, and at both of these jobs I got both my work done, and more writing done than I did when I was completing my MFA. Perhaps my employers wouldn&#039;t like the sound of it--writing on the clock--and, of course, I would prefer to live a more honest life and just straight-out write full time, but it works for me. What my coworkers see as time to get caught up on their hulu watching, I see as time to write novels. Bonus: I always look busy.

I taught during graduate school, and found that the effort I had to expend to be a halfway decent teacher (and most TAs and adjuncts, in my experience, perhaps justifiably aren&#039;t) was energy that I much rather would have put into my own writing. I felt that my students deserved a teacher who wasn&#039;t distracted, who didn&#039;t view them as an impediment to doing what she really wanted to do. I couldn&#039;t stand how my evenings weren&#039;t my own, either--I was always grading. Desk jobs are better for that, too. Your evenings belong to you, to do with as you please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Posting anonymously for perhaps obvious reasons, but I&#8217;ve had two professional jobs in between/after my MFA and they were both of the worst &#8220;look busy&#8221; desk job variety&#8211;the work itself was ok, but just not sufficient to fill up an 8/9 hour work day. To me, this is terrific and ideal: all I need to write is a word processor, and at both of these jobs I got both my work done, and more writing done than I did when I was completing my MFA. Perhaps my employers wouldn&#8217;t like the sound of it&#8211;writing on the clock&#8211;and, of course, I would prefer to live a more honest life and just straight-out write full time, but it works for me. What my coworkers see as time to get caught up on their hulu watching, I see as time to write novels. Bonus: I always look busy.</p>
<p>I taught during graduate school, and found that the effort I had to expend to be a halfway decent teacher (and most TAs and adjuncts, in my experience, perhaps justifiably aren&#8217;t) was energy that I much rather would have put into my own writing. I felt that my students deserved a teacher who wasn&#8217;t distracted, who didn&#8217;t view them as an impediment to doing what she really wanted to do. I couldn&#8217;t stand how my evenings weren&#8217;t my own, either&#8211;I was always grading. Desk jobs are better for that, too. Your evenings belong to you, to do with as you please.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Reisman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica Reisman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s definitely a good set of guidelines; I&#039;ve begun to wonder if there will be a time before retirement when I can write full-time, so it&#039;s more than ever important to find ways to be okay with the dayjob while still being fully engaged in the fiction writing, and, to a lesser extent for me, the career side of it. I had a pretty perfect dayjob...and then the center where I worked was defunded. Now it&#039;s more of a struggle, and some days are definitely better than others. I would so love to find a job that didn&#039;t start until ten, because I used to write in the mornings, too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s definitely a good set of guidelines; I&#8217;ve begun to wonder if there will be a time before retirement when I can write full-time, so it&#8217;s more than ever important to find ways to be okay with the dayjob while still being fully engaged in the fiction writing, and, to a lesser extent for me, the career side of it. I had a pretty perfect dayjob&#8230;and then the center where I worked was defunded. Now it&#8217;s more of a struggle, and some days are definitely better than others. I would so love to find a job that didn&#8217;t start until ten, because I used to write in the mornings, too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Barnhill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Barnhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with 1a. Did that, and it was as though language had turned on me - that which had been joyful and sly had become suddenly dead, sanitized and corporatized. My god, just thinking about those two years makes me cringe. But on the other points I generally agree. 

I remember people telling me that teaching was a good job for writers, health insurance, summers off, blah, blah, blah - and maybe that&#039;s true if the school you teach at is like the one from Dead Poet&#039;s society, but is less true if you&#039;re teaching stressed-out low-income kids. In my first year of teaching seventh grade I had one student who was killed in a gang fight, two who committed crimes and landed in jail (one was tried as an adult), three students pregnant, and one &quot;lovingly coerced&quot; into a cultural, though not legal, marriage (the note I confiscated to her ex-boyfriend explaining the situation still haunts me to this day). Add that to the daily fights, shouting matches, threats and bullying happening in the hallways (oh! and that was the year of the Blow-Job Club - oh, god! Teh rememories! Teh horrors!)Emotional exhaustion is a real thing and it can kill fiction. 

For me, really, the turning point was when we realized that once we hit three kids, our childcare costs eclipsed my teaching salary, so I stayed home instead. When my whole day revolved around pretend games, made up stories and made up songs, I found it was not that difficult to catch bits of it at the end of the day and pin them to the page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with 1a. Did that, and it was as though language had turned on me &#8211; that which had been joyful and sly had become suddenly dead, sanitized and corporatized. My god, just thinking about those two years makes me cringe. But on the other points I generally agree. </p>
<p>I remember people telling me that teaching was a good job for writers, health insurance, summers off, blah, blah, blah &#8211; and maybe that&#8217;s true if the school you teach at is like the one from Dead Poet&#8217;s society, but is less true if you&#8217;re teaching stressed-out low-income kids. In my first year of teaching seventh grade I had one student who was killed in a gang fight, two who committed crimes and landed in jail (one was tried as an adult), three students pregnant, and one &#8220;lovingly coerced&#8221; into a cultural, though not legal, marriage (the note I confiscated to her ex-boyfriend explaining the situation still haunts me to this day). Add that to the daily fights, shouting matches, threats and bullying happening in the hallways (oh! and that was the year of the Blow-Job Club &#8211; oh, god! Teh rememories! Teh horrors!)Emotional exhaustion is a real thing and it can kill fiction. </p>
<p>For me, really, the turning point was when we realized that once we hit three kids, our childcare costs eclipsed my teaching salary, so I stayed home instead. When my whole day revolved around pretend games, made up stories and made up songs, I found it was not that difficult to catch bits of it at the end of the day and pin them to the page.</p>
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		<title>By: deborahb</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur! Though I&#039;d love to change that 10am to 12noon. ;)

My 4-day working week means I have 2 *mornings* off, rather than 1 full day. In a full day, I might run out of writing steam. But across 2 mornings I can be much more productive. It&#039;s the most efficient word-production schedule I&#039;ve experienced &amp; I love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur! Though I&#8217;d love to change that 10am to 12noon. ;)</p>
<p>My 4-day working week means I have 2 *mornings* off, rather than 1 full day. In a full day, I might run out of writing steam. But across 2 mornings I can be much more productive. It&#8217;s the most efficient word-production schedule I&#8217;ve experienced &amp; I love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you on 2-5 (though my job doesn&#039;t fit 4 and 5), but for me, 1 isn&#039;t true.  I wrote a lot when I was a reporter - something about it being a different kind of writing, and so much of a reporter&#039;s job being not-writing, made it not feel like all I ever did was put words on paper. (I now write web copy, which is at least as creative as newspaper writing was.) From what other people have said over the years I suspect more lean your way than mine, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you on 2-5 (though my job doesn&#8217;t fit 4 and 5), but for me, 1 isn&#8217;t true.  I wrote a lot when I was a reporter &#8211; something about it being a different kind of writing, and so much of a reporter&#8217;s job being not-writing, made it not feel like all I ever did was put words on paper. (I now write web copy, which is at least as creative as newspaper writing was.) From what other people have said over the years I suspect more lean your way than mine, though.</p>
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