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	<title>Comments on: 60 in 60: #16 &#8211; Darwin&#8217;s On Natural Selection (Penguin&#8217;s Great Ideas)</title>
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		<title>By: Science in Society</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 03:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Swimbladders and humble-bees. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathon Howard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathon Howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

While writing doesn&#039;t exist there certianly do exist human artifacts that are much older than 6000 years, as well as art (sculptures, paintings, pottery, etc.)  I grew up Mormon and both of my parents were vehemently opposed to evolution.  I&#039;ve shed the beliefs of my youth and am no longer surprised at people&#039;s ability to ignore things that disagree with their world-view.  If anything it is simply more evidence how much more animal we are, despite our protests to the contrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>While writing doesn&#8217;t exist there certianly do exist human artifacts that are much older than 6000 years, as well as art (sculptures, paintings, pottery, etc.)  I grew up Mormon and both of my parents were vehemently opposed to evolution.  I&#8217;ve shed the beliefs of my youth and am no longer surprised at people&#8217;s ability to ignore things that disagree with their world-view.  If anything it is simply more evidence how much more animal we are, despite our protests to the contrary.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranking the Classics: Week Three of the 60 in 60 &#124; eOpinions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranking the Classics: Week Three of the 60 in 60 &#124; eOpinions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - Charles Darwin&#8217;s On Natural Selection - The world-changing book that provided the basic framework for and defense of the theory of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Amazon Literature Book &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ranking the Classics: Week Three of the 60 in 60</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazon Literature Book &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ranking the Classics: Week Three of the 60 in 60</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - Charles Darwin&#8217;s On Natural Selection - The world-changing book that provided the basic framework for and defense of the theory of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luckily for you (and Darwin) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.antihumanism.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;anti-humanism&lt;/a&gt; is the new humanism.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luckily for you (and Darwin) <a href="http://www.antihumanism.com/" rel="nofollow">anti-humanism</a> is the new humanism.  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in a family where my parents cited that &quot;6000 year&quot; thing as being merely figurative (while accepting as literal quite a few other things).  I have other relatives (my parents were/are Methodists) who are Southern Baptists who take that 6000 year figure much more literally.  I can&#039;t remember ever &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; accepting natural selection/evolution as a scientific explanation for what has transpired over billions of years, but I did end up leaving my first church over 10 years ago just because it didn&#039;t seem compatible enough with the idea of evolution.  Ironically, the church that did seem to reconcile Darwin&#039;s theory of natural selection with Christianity the best (for me, that is) was the Catholic Church.  Go figure?

That being said, living in the Southeast all my life, it is rather depressing listening to the blather about forbidding the teaching of evolution in schools and the knowledge that if I want to keep my job (I&#039;ve never bothered to stay at a school long enough to earn tenure), I better not bring up Darwin&#039;s ideas when talking about history, despite Spencer&#039;s bastardized Social Darwinism being a major influence on imperialism, the two World Wars, and even some of our racist attitudes today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in a family where my parents cited that &#8220;6000 year&#8221; thing as being merely figurative (while accepting as literal quite a few other things).  I have other relatives (my parents were/are Methodists) who are Southern Baptists who take that 6000 year figure much more literally.  I can&#8217;t remember ever <b>not</b> accepting natural selection/evolution as a scientific explanation for what has transpired over billions of years, but I did end up leaving my first church over 10 years ago just because it didn&#8217;t seem compatible enough with the idea of evolution.  Ironically, the church that did seem to reconcile Darwin&#8217;s theory of natural selection with Christianity the best (for me, that is) was the Catholic Church.  Go figure?</p>
<p>That being said, living in the Southeast all my life, it is rather depressing listening to the blather about forbidding the teaching of evolution in schools and the knowledge that if I want to keep my job (I&#8217;ve never bothered to stay at a school long enough to earn tenure), I better not bring up Darwin&#8217;s ideas when talking about history, despite Spencer&#8217;s bastardized Social Darwinism being a major influence on imperialism, the two World Wars, and even some of our racist attitudes today.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff VanderMeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff VanderMeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt: I think I framed it that way because I take it as a given that for millions of people, it isn&#039;t compatible. Good discussion here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt: I think I framed it that way because I take it as a given that for millions of people, it isn&#8217;t compatible. Good discussion here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ectric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Ectric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, jmnlman. I&#039;m thinking that the two factors kind of bolster one another.

 In other words, people added up the ages of individuals in the Bible through each generation back to Adam, and it came to 6000 years. The fact that nobody was taking notes 6000 years ago makes it difficult to readily prove the world is older than that. I&#039;m not saying it can&#039;t be proven by science, only that we have no document to show to a fundamentalist literal-translation Baptist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, jmnlman. I&#8217;m thinking that the two factors kind of bolster one another.</p>
<p> In other words, people added up the ages of individuals in the Bible through each generation back to Adam, and it came to 6000 years. The fact that nobody was taking notes 6000 years ago makes it difficult to readily prove the world is older than that. I&#8217;m not saying it can&#8217;t be proven by science, only that we have no document to show to a fundamentalist literal-translation Baptist.</p>
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		<title>By: jmnlman</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmnlman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

The 6000 figure is usually done through adding up the different ages given for individuals.  The most famous is the Ussher chronology although there are several others that come out with roughly the same length of time.

The Sumerian Cuneiform script did appear in the Uruk period 4000BC to 3100 BC.  This was when civilization in the Fertile Crescent transitioned into the Bronze Age.  Different authors demarcate between proto-writing and writing proper so there&#039;s some debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>The 6000 figure is usually done through adding up the different ages given for individuals.  The most famous is the Ussher chronology although there are several others that come out with roughly the same length of time.</p>
<p>The Sumerian Cuneiform script did appear in the Uruk period 4000BC to 3100 BC.  This was when civilization in the Fertile Crescent transitioned into the Bronze Age.  Different authors demarcate between proto-writing and writing proper so there&#8217;s some debate.</p>
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		<title>By: eric orchard</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discussion makes me realize what a secular Christian I grew up as. I never questioned the ease with which evolution and the concept of &quot;God&#039;s plan&quot; sat together until people started pointing out the beliefs of some sects of Christianity. I have a hard time rationalizing this disconnect or understanding the energy that is expended on anti-evolutionist arguments(based on religious concepts).
I can&#039;t help but recall Darwin&#039;s association with Galton when you discuss his relationship to eugenics. Of course what I&#039;ve read might just be exaggeration. It seemed that Darwin was sympathetic but did not endorse Galton&#039;s ideas.  
And my wife is a biologist, her field of study? Brine shrimp...Sea monkeys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion makes me realize what a secular Christian I grew up as. I never questioned the ease with which evolution and the concept of &#8220;God&#8217;s plan&#8221; sat together until people started pointing out the beliefs of some sects of Christianity. I have a hard time rationalizing this disconnect or understanding the energy that is expended on anti-evolutionist arguments(based on religious concepts).<br />
I can&#8217;t help but recall Darwin&#8217;s association with Galton when you discuss his relationship to eugenics. Of course what I&#8217;ve read might just be exaggeration. It seemed that Darwin was sympathetic but did not endorse Galton&#8217;s ideas.<br />
And my wife is a biologist, her field of study? Brine shrimp&#8230;Sea monkeys!</p>
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