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		<title>By: A Long, Drawn-Out To-Do about Synopses &#171; Bill Ectric&#8217;s Place</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Long, Drawn-Out To-Do about Synopses &#171; Bill Ectric&#8217;s Place</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of that question, but in this case, I do believe that I know my story well. I tend to agree with Benedict&#8217;s reply on Ecstatic Days back in December 2008, &#8220;Outlines are all very well, but there&#8217;s a lot of wonderful books whose main selling [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of that question, but in this case, I do believe that I know my story well. I tend to agree with Benedict&#8217;s reply on Ecstatic Days back in December 2008, &#8220;Outlines are all very well, but there&#8217;s a lot of wonderful books whose main selling [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ectric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Ectric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify my question: A friend of mine said that before she even obtains as ISBN #, she has several copies of a new book printed &amp; bound inexpensively, then sends these out to people in hopes of obtaining blurbs &amp; reviews. Is it the case that sometimes one should send these bound advance books, and other times, one should send the traditional loose-page, double-spaced on one side standard manuscript in a box.

Or is it really a matter of just asking the intended recipient what they prefer? Maybe I&#039;m making it too complicated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify my question: A friend of mine said that before she even obtains as ISBN #, she has several copies of a new book printed &amp; bound inexpensively, then sends these out to people in hopes of obtaining blurbs &amp; reviews. Is it the case that sometimes one should send these bound advance books, and other times, one should send the traditional loose-page, double-spaced on one side standard manuscript in a box.</p>
<p>Or is it really a matter of just asking the intended recipient what they prefer? Maybe I&#8217;m making it too complicated?</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this. As someone who has never published anything, and who sort of suspected that the Writer&#039;s Market was a waste of money for the last ten years or so,. Of course, I haven&#039;t actually sent out a manuscript in about ten years, either, so maybe Writer&#039;s Market was good for something, if only to encourage me to keep trying. The internet hasn&#039;t done that to me, but then I just lurk on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this. As someone who has never published anything, and who sort of suspected that the Writer&#8217;s Market was a waste of money for the last ten years or so,. Of course, I haven&#8217;t actually sent out a manuscript in about ten years, either, so maybe Writer&#8217;s Market was good for something, if only to encourage me to keep trying. The internet hasn&#8217;t done that to me, but then I just lurk on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ectric</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2008/12/08/the-plight-of-the-clueless-writer/comment-page-1/#comment-17598</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Ectric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone shed some light on the relative merits of loose-page manuscripts vs. bound &quot;unpublished&quot; advance copies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone shed some light on the relative merits of loose-page manuscripts vs. bound &#8220;unpublished&#8221; advance copies?</p>
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		<title>By: Kater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Tempest&#039;s cover letter for short stories.  

As for agents and publishers, asking for the &quot;right&quot; cover letter is like asking for the &quot;right&quot; recipe for chili.  Ain&#039;t no such thing.  What one agent thinks is perfect, another will think is overblown.  Fortunately, most agents and editors will tell you what they want, if you take the time to look at their website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Tempest&#8217;s cover letter for short stories.  </p>
<p>As for agents and publishers, asking for the &#8220;right&#8221; cover letter is like asking for the &#8220;right&#8221; recipe for chili.  Ain&#8217;t no such thing.  What one agent thinks is perfect, another will think is overblown.  Fortunately, most agents and editors will tell you what they want, if you take the time to look at their website.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually started out in Writer&#039;s Market, which is where I found my first publication, one of the few e-zines they actually do list.  I&#039;ve since then published two other stories in webzines and in print.  However I did have a clue before I started submitting and did not self publish.  I also knew cover letters only contain a brief thank you, and publishing credits if you have them, and that they aren&#039;t necessarily required at all.  I think Absolute Write and the advice of insiders steered me in the right path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually started out in Writer&#8217;s Market, which is where I found my first publication, one of the few e-zines they actually do list.  I&#8217;ve since then published two other stories in webzines and in print.  However I did have a clue before I started submitting and did not self publish.  I also knew cover letters only contain a brief thank you, and publishing credits if you have them, and that they aren&#8217;t necessarily required at all.  I think Absolute Write and the advice of insiders steered me in the right path.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean to be a contraa..umm what&#039;s that word?

But in my far from humble opinion, the real problem is that there are too many writers. Or should I say too many people writing for the wrong reasons. Somewhere along the line, some hungry professor decided to teach a creative writing class. Ever since then.... 

If someone is writing for the right reasons, who cares if there stuff is on Publish America or YouTube? If someone is writing something good or meaningful, what does it really matter? Because the thing is an end in itself.

If someone is simply writing to make money. Well, then they need to quit doing that, because there are as many more lucrative ways of making money as there are snake charmers in India.

Maybe &#039;professional writers&#039; should come to grips with the fact that writing isn&#039;t a profession and let desperate gutter snipes enjoy themselves in their lime-flavoured angst?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean to be a contraa..umm what&#8217;s that word?</p>
<p>But in my far from humble opinion, the real problem is that there are too many writers. Or should I say too many people writing for the wrong reasons. Somewhere along the line, some hungry professor decided to teach a creative writing class. Ever since then&#8230;. </p>
<p>If someone is writing for the right reasons, who cares if there stuff is on Publish America or YouTube? If someone is writing something good or meaningful, what does it really matter? Because the thing is an end in itself.</p>
<p>If someone is simply writing to make money. Well, then they need to quit doing that, because there are as many more lucrative ways of making money as there are snake charmers in India.</p>
<p>Maybe &#8216;professional writers&#8217; should come to grips with the fact that writing isn&#8217;t a profession and let desperate gutter snipes enjoy themselves in their lime-flavoured angst?</p>
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		<title>By: J M McDermott</title>
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		<dc:creator>J M McDermott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Writer&#039;s Market is no Bible. It is too broad to be useful to most niche markets. 

I&#039;ve always felt like Preditors &amp; Editors is a better resource for agents and publishers. Also, it is free and on-line. 

When I was trying to publish my short fiction through Writer&#039;s Market, it was a total bust. When I started using Ralans and Duotrope? Much success.

The thing about Writer&#039;s Market is that it was very useful before the internet. Now, it is not particularly useful as anything but a doorstop for the majority of writers.

I also noticed that Writer&#039;s Market, for a long time, was afraid of legal harrassment, and thus kept some borderline operations listed. Preditors &amp; Editors is not afraid of hawyers. In fact, I suspect Dave K. would relish the opportunity to open the accounting books in open court for quite a few of the shady operations out there. 

Also, for a long time - and I don&#039;t know if this is still true - web-based magazines were unlisted, as well as very respectable zines. Publishing a story in Electric Velocipede, Lone Star Stories, Farrago&#039;s Wainscot, or Lady Churchill&#039;s Rosebud Wristlet would be a feather in your cap. I didn&#039;t even know these places existed until I abandoned Writer&#039;s Market.

I suspect the real value of Writer&#039;s Market lies in the non-fiction trade magazines. I hear such relatively unexciting operations pay quite well, but have such specific needs that it can be difficult to find good content for their audience.

Anyway, that&#039;s my take on Writer&#039;s Market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writer&#8217;s Market is no Bible. It is too broad to be useful to most niche markets. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always felt like Preditors &amp; Editors is a better resource for agents and publishers. Also, it is free and on-line. </p>
<p>When I was trying to publish my short fiction through Writer&#8217;s Market, it was a total bust. When I started using Ralans and Duotrope? Much success.</p>
<p>The thing about Writer&#8217;s Market is that it was very useful before the internet. Now, it is not particularly useful as anything but a doorstop for the majority of writers.</p>
<p>I also noticed that Writer&#8217;s Market, for a long time, was afraid of legal harrassment, and thus kept some borderline operations listed. Preditors &amp; Editors is not afraid of hawyers. In fact, I suspect Dave K. would relish the opportunity to open the accounting books in open court for quite a few of the shady operations out there. </p>
<p>Also, for a long time &#8211; and I don&#8217;t know if this is still true &#8211; web-based magazines were unlisted, as well as very respectable zines. Publishing a story in Electric Velocipede, Lone Star Stories, Farrago&#8217;s Wainscot, or Lady Churchill&#8217;s Rosebud Wristlet would be a feather in your cap. I didn&#8217;t even know these places existed until I abandoned Writer&#8217;s Market.</p>
<p>I suspect the real value of Writer&#8217;s Market lies in the non-fiction trade magazines. I hear such relatively unexciting operations pay quite well, but have such specific needs that it can be difficult to find good content for their audience.</p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s my take on Writer&#8217;s Market.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Tempest Bradford</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Tempest Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not to sound snippy, but if these things are not desired in a cover letter, then what is?&quot;

Cover letters for different types of submissions are different.  In fact, the cover letter that particular edition was telling writers to craft was far better suited to non-fiction magazine submissions.

For short fiction, your cover letter should be something like:

Dear [editor/s],

Enclosed/Attched please find my [wordcount] story, [name of story], for consideration in your magazine.  My work has been published in [list 3 or fewer publications.  If you don&#039;t have prior publications, skip this part.]  Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,
[your name]

Seriously, that&#039;s it.  Unless the guidelines ask for more.  Some want a bio, some ask that your email or physical address appear under your name.  If submitting via snail mail, the cover letter should have your address and email and phone # at the top in the header.  If you have professional stationary (that is not some weird color, uses some completely crazy font, or is scented) that&#039;s fine to use for the cover letter.

This differs from the cover letter you&#039;d send an agent, btw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not to sound snippy, but if these things are not desired in a cover letter, then what is?&#8221;</p>
<p>Cover letters for different types of submissions are different.  In fact, the cover letter that particular edition was telling writers to craft was far better suited to non-fiction magazine submissions.</p>
<p>For short fiction, your cover letter should be something like:</p>
<p>Dear [editor/s],</p>
<p>Enclosed/Attched please find my [wordcount] story, [name of story], for consideration in your magazine.  My work has been published in [list 3 or fewer publications.  If you don't have prior publications, skip this part.]  Thank you for your time and consideration.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
[your name]</p>
<p>Seriously, that&#8217;s it.  Unless the guidelines ask for more.  Some want a bio, some ask that your email or physical address appear under your name.  If submitting via snail mail, the cover letter should have your address and email and phone # at the top in the header.  If you have professional stationary (that is not some weird color, uses some completely crazy font, or is scented) that&#8217;s fine to use for the cover letter.</p>
<p>This differs from the cover letter you&#8217;d send an agent, btw.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The article instructed writers to include a summary of the story, a short paragraph on why the writer is best qualified to tell said story, and a few other pieces of stupid advice I’ve forgotten. Anyone who has ever read slush knows that neither of these things are necessary or desired in a cover letter.&quot;

Up until now I&#039;ve taken The Writer&#039;s Market more or less as a bible of publishing (perhaps consequentially, I&#039;ve never had a single piece of fiction accepted and/or published anywhere, nor have I ever been compensated in anything except cordial gratitude for any journalism I&#039;ve done). Not to sound snippy, but if these things are not desired in a cover letter, then what is? Are there any essentials at all? Of course you study the publication itself and attempt to phrase yourself in a style befitting theirs-- I&#039;ve got quite a bit of experience doing that in my job applications to every magazine and newspaper in the tri-state area, but what to say of content, if anything?

I definitely hear you about the conflicting information thing. The talk about cover letters that reaches my ears ranges from &quot;they&#039;re a straight and narrow evaluation of how well a writer can follow directions and adhere to conventions,&quot; to &quot;bend or break every ground rule they set down in the guidelines-- they&#039;re looking for assertive iconoclasts and trend setters.&quot;

&quot;Big publishing houses will only publish insiders.&quot;

This conception is born of the image of publishing as a very small niche industry where all the CEOs are old friends and chat with each other. Ergo, reputations in publishing travel extremely quickly and one can find himself firewalled out of the business after trying to push his luck. I have my doubts that any industry still alive and kicking today, especially the hyper-competitive battle royale most all publishing business inhabits, could be so insular(inbred?).

In another way, though, it&#039;s just the nature of business. And let&#039;s face it, just like supposedly unfettered, impartial mainstream American journalism, lit publishing is a first and foremost a business endeavor. Which proposal has a greater probability of a good return on investment: taking the dive on a new, unpublished author who cold-called your anonymous email account with a digital cover letter and manuscript, or picking up the pitch thrown to you by a published author with a pre-existing fanbase, maybe a mid-level award or two to his name and an existing relationship with one of your agents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The article instructed writers to include a summary of the story, a short paragraph on why the writer is best qualified to tell said story, and a few other pieces of stupid advice I’ve forgotten. Anyone who has ever read slush knows that neither of these things are necessary or desired in a cover letter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Up until now I&#8217;ve taken The Writer&#8217;s Market more or less as a bible of publishing (perhaps consequentially, I&#8217;ve never had a single piece of fiction accepted and/or published anywhere, nor have I ever been compensated in anything except cordial gratitude for any journalism I&#8217;ve done). Not to sound snippy, but if these things are not desired in a cover letter, then what is? Are there any essentials at all? Of course you study the publication itself and attempt to phrase yourself in a style befitting theirs&#8211; I&#8217;ve got quite a bit of experience doing that in my job applications to every magazine and newspaper in the tri-state area, but what to say of content, if anything?</p>
<p>I definitely hear you about the conflicting information thing. The talk about cover letters that reaches my ears ranges from &#8220;they&#8217;re a straight and narrow evaluation of how well a writer can follow directions and adhere to conventions,&#8221; to &#8220;bend or break every ground rule they set down in the guidelines&#8211; they&#8217;re looking for assertive iconoclasts and trend setters.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Big publishing houses will only publish insiders.&#8221;</p>
<p>This conception is born of the image of publishing as a very small niche industry where all the CEOs are old friends and chat with each other. Ergo, reputations in publishing travel extremely quickly and one can find himself firewalled out of the business after trying to push his luck. I have my doubts that any industry still alive and kicking today, especially the hyper-competitive battle royale most all publishing business inhabits, could be so insular(inbred?).</p>
<p>In another way, though, it&#8217;s just the nature of business. And let&#8217;s face it, just like supposedly unfettered, impartial mainstream American journalism, lit publishing is a first and foremost a business endeavor. Which proposal has a greater probability of a good return on investment: taking the dive on a new, unpublished author who cold-called your anonymous email account with a digital cover letter and manuscript, or picking up the pitch thrown to you by a published author with a pre-existing fanbase, maybe a mid-level award or two to his name and an existing relationship with one of your agents?</p>
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