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		<title>By: Unplugging &#171; lying for a living</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unplugging &#171; lying for a living</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 17, 2008 &#183; No Comments  Jeff VanderMeer writes about unplugging from the net to concentrate on his new novel, and the Los Angeles Times picks up [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Linkdump for September 15th at found_drama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linkdump for September 15th at found_drama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: jeff vandermeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff vandermeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and we owe you other books. down the rabbit hole until friday. thanks again to faust and hello langan.</description>
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		<title>By: Timblynod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timblynod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pfft. You writers. So eloquent...even when bitching. ;)  

How &#039;bout a rant in iambic pentameter? Nothing so telling as a paroxysm rounded with a couplet. 

p.s. Just got &#039;Secret Lives&#039; and &#039;Why Should I Cut Your Throat&#039; from Amazon. Still looking for a few earlier works. Soon, though, I&#039;ll be a veritable Vandermaster. Vanderversed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pfft. You writers. So eloquent&#8230;even when bitching. ;)  </p>
<p>How &#8217;bout a rant in iambic pentameter? Nothing so telling as a paroxysm rounded with a couplet. </p>
<p>p.s. Just got &#8216;Secret Lives&#8217; and &#8216;Why Should I Cut Your Throat&#8217; from Amazon. Still looking for a few earlier works. Soon, though, I&#8217;ll be a veritable Vandermaster. Vanderversed?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff VanderMeer</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2008/09/13/personal-space-and-writing-novels-in-the-internet-era/comment-page-1/#comment-15606</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff VanderMeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl--I agree, of course. And I know when Ann&#039;s involved in software projects it&#039;s often that way for her. There are certain things that are more complex than others, in that you&#039;re thinking through the implications of each decision in the context of a thousand other decisions, the connectivity being the complex part. (I still plan on those cricket posts, after December 1st!)

Bill--not at all. I have wonderful fans and friends and readers for the most part. In a way, I think I&#039;m also saying it&#039;s my fault. I have made myself much more transparent and accessible than, say, Kelly Link, who works off of a different paradigm because she&#039;s a different person. Which means people quite reasonably expect more. And they also sometimes feel more ownership of the person rather than just the work. So I&#039;m just kind of posting a reminder about what&#039;s important.  

And here I am commenting on my own blog today because...it&#039;s not a writing day. Another thing is, recharging is important. I wrote about 15,000 words this past week, not including revising some scenes and rearranging some things. So it was important to give myself the weekend to be away from the novel. (Also very re-invigorating for me were Minister Faust&#039;s posts--I just love that guy.)

And you&#039;re absolutely right in your reading of that section of Shriek. I wanted readers to wonder why Duncan isn&#039;t commenting, and I think you nailed it. Although reviews of Shriek were almost uniformly positive there were a couple of negative reviews saying the characterization wasn&#039;t three-dimensional, to which I mentally replied, &quot;you have no fucking idea what you&#039;re talking about.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl&#8211;I agree, of course. And I know when Ann&#8217;s involved in software projects it&#8217;s often that way for her. There are certain things that are more complex than others, in that you&#8217;re thinking through the implications of each decision in the context of a thousand other decisions, the connectivity being the complex part. (I still plan on those cricket posts, after December 1st!)</p>
<p>Bill&#8211;not at all. I have wonderful fans and friends and readers for the most part. In a way, I think I&#8217;m also saying it&#8217;s my fault. I have made myself much more transparent and accessible than, say, Kelly Link, who works off of a different paradigm because she&#8217;s a different person. Which means people quite reasonably expect more. And they also sometimes feel more ownership of the person rather than just the work. So I&#8217;m just kind of posting a reminder about what&#8217;s important.  </p>
<p>And here I am commenting on my own blog today because&#8230;it&#8217;s not a writing day. Another thing is, recharging is important. I wrote about 15,000 words this past week, not including revising some scenes and rearranging some things. So it was important to give myself the weekend to be away from the novel. (Also very re-invigorating for me were Minister Faust&#8217;s posts&#8211;I just love that guy.)</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re absolutely right in your reading of that section of Shriek. I wanted readers to wonder why Duncan isn&#8217;t commenting, and I think you nailed it. Although reviews of Shriek were almost uniformly positive there were a couple of negative reviews saying the characterization wasn&#8217;t three-dimensional, to which I mentally replied, &#8220;you have no fucking idea what you&#8217;re talking about.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ectric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Ectric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who doesn&#039;t appreciate being guided to Ann VanderMeer is just silly - she&#039;s the fiction editor of &lt;i&gt;Weird Tales&lt;/i&gt; for God&#039;s sake!

Well, I&#039;m probably just being paranoid here, but I want to make sure you aren&#039;t referring to my comment on Litkicks, &quot;If Jeff ever decides to stay home . . . but he’s too busy with book tours in Romania and the Czech Republic, conventions in California, and a Book Festival in Louisiana . . .&quot; because that was my kidding way of telling people how busy you are.

I love the photos of the novel in progress! Someone should make a video of the notes morphing from one stage to the next.

I finished reading &lt;i&gt;Veniss Underground&lt;/i&gt; (great!) and started &lt;i&gt;Shriek&lt;/i&gt; (also great). In style, you are onto something fine and solid. Sure, other writers have used journals, records of correspondence, etc as narrative devices, but there is something remarkable in the way you do it. 

Describing Duncan Shriek as “composed entirely of digressions and transgressions” is delightfully original, but you take it a step higher by using the “empty space” of a LACK of commentary to evoke poignancy. At least that’s how I see the paragraph on pages 34-35 of &lt;i&gt;Shriek&lt;/i&gt;. Leading up to the moment in question, there is a pattern of narrative/commentary, narrative/commentary; that is, Janice Shriek writes the narrative and Duncan Shriek adds the commentary on a fairly regular basis, so that the reader comes to expect it. When Janice speaks of Duncan getting stuck in the sewer pipe, that entire passage is very touching, all the more so because when Janice says, “I wonder, Mary, if Duncan ever shared memories like this with you…”  there is (to me) a palpable lack of commentary until that thought has passed. I found myself wondering what Duncan was thinking! Was there a tear in his eye? Like when you’re talking to someone on the phone and they stay silent for a moment. 

I can sure talk a lot, once I get  going. One more thing: The last couple of lines of this post, about the weather outside the window seething with storm clouds &amp; not knowing where stack of pages came from or what they might mean - very poetic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who doesn&#8217;t appreciate being guided to Ann VanderMeer is just silly &#8211; she&#8217;s the fiction editor of <i>Weird Tales</i> for God&#8217;s sake!</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m probably just being paranoid here, but I want to make sure you aren&#8217;t referring to my comment on Litkicks, &#8220;If Jeff ever decides to stay home . . . but he’s too busy with book tours in Romania and the Czech Republic, conventions in California, and a Book Festival in Louisiana . . .&#8221; because that was my kidding way of telling people how busy you are.</p>
<p>I love the photos of the novel in progress! Someone should make a video of the notes morphing from one stage to the next.</p>
<p>I finished reading <i>Veniss Underground</i> (great!) and started <i>Shriek</i> (also great). In style, you are onto something fine and solid. Sure, other writers have used journals, records of correspondence, etc as narrative devices, but there is something remarkable in the way you do it. </p>
<p>Describing Duncan Shriek as “composed entirely of digressions and transgressions” is delightfully original, but you take it a step higher by using the “empty space” of a LACK of commentary to evoke poignancy. At least that’s how I see the paragraph on pages 34-35 of <i>Shriek</i>. Leading up to the moment in question, there is a pattern of narrative/commentary, narrative/commentary; that is, Janice Shriek writes the narrative and Duncan Shriek adds the commentary on a fairly regular basis, so that the reader comes to expect it. When Janice speaks of Duncan getting stuck in the sewer pipe, that entire passage is very touching, all the more so because when Janice says, “I wonder, Mary, if Duncan ever shared memories like this with you…”  there is (to me) a palpable lack of commentary until that thought has passed. I found myself wondering what Duncan was thinking! Was there a tear in his eye? Like when you’re talking to someone on the phone and they stay silent for a moment. </p>
<p>I can sure talk a lot, once I get  going. One more thing: The last couple of lines of this post, about the weather outside the window seething with storm clouds &amp; not knowing where stack of pages came from or what they might mean &#8211; very poetic!</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entirely understood. Novel writing isn&#039;t the only thing that requires that level of engagement. Kevin and I often find ourselves disconnecting from the world for hours on end when we get into a software project. One of the hard things for me is remembering to get up and talk around for a few minutes once an hour so that my legs are stupidly stiff when I finally surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entirely understood. Novel writing isn&#8217;t the only thing that requires that level of engagement. Kevin and I often find ourselves disconnecting from the world for hours on end when we get into a software project. One of the hard things for me is remembering to get up and talk around for a few minutes once an hour so that my legs are stupidly stiff when I finally surface.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann VanderMeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann VanderMeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for this post.  Hopefully all those people that are routed to me will no longer be so disappointed that they can&#039;t get directly to you.  Perhaps they will stop taking it personally because it ISN&#039;T personal - it&#039;s what you must do as a writer.  And perhaps.....they will no longer take their frustations out on me.  Perhaps......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this post.  Hopefully all those people that are routed to me will no longer be so disappointed that they can&#8217;t get directly to you.  Perhaps they will stop taking it personally because it ISN&#8217;T personal &#8211; it&#8217;s what you must do as a writer.  And perhaps&#8230;..they will no longer take their frustations out on me.  Perhaps&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J. T. Glover</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. T. Glover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love these posts. Inspirational on many levels, and also good advice. The Internet is a demon with anaesthetic-laced claws and breath that smells of chloroform. Creative process is creative process, and if people don&#039;t respect it, then perhaps they don&#039;t deserve respect themselves. The 24/7 e-mail availability fetish is not the end of Society, but it makes it very, very hard to concentrate for some people. I wish everyone understood that. Thanks for giving us a peek behind the curtain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love these posts. Inspirational on many levels, and also good advice. The Internet is a demon with anaesthetic-laced claws and breath that smells of chloroform. Creative process is creative process, and if people don&#8217;t respect it, then perhaps they don&#8217;t deserve respect themselves. The 24/7 e-mail availability fetish is not the end of Society, but it makes it very, very hard to concentrate for some people. I wish everyone understood that. Thanks for giving us a peek behind the curtain.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff vandermeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff vandermeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is true I cannot always read what I have written. but about 98 percent of the time. lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is true I cannot always read what I have written. but about 98 percent of the time. lol.</p>
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