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	<title>Comments on: What It Is We Do When We Pay Forward the Rhetoric of Fantasy and&#8230;the Collapse of Quantum Vampires</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff VanderMeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff VanderMeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farah:

You don&#039;t really listen, not in a way I&#039;d consider hearing, so it&#039;s not really that useful to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farah:</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t really listen, not in a way I&#8217;d consider hearing, so it&#8217;s not really that useful to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Farah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next time, try saying &quot;um, no, not at all&quot;. All criticism is and should be an act of discussion. I may still write the same thing, but I would always quote and acknowledge your opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time, try saying &#8220;um, no, not at all&#8221;. All criticism is and should be an act of discussion. I may still write the same thing, but I would always quote and acknowledge your opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 03:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I can&#039;t quite recall what Borges had to say in regards to SF, I do know that he considered some of his stories to be fantasies, since he included one of them in his &lt;i&gt;Book of Fantasy&lt;/i&gt; that he published first in the 1940s.  If you haven&#039;t had a chance yet to read it, I highly recommend it, as it has some of the most memorable short stories I&#039;ve ever read in an anthology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I can&#8217;t quite recall what Borges had to say in regards to SF, I do know that he considered some of his stories to be fantasies, since he included one of them in his <i>Book of Fantasy</i> that he published first in the 1940s.  If you haven&#8217;t had a chance yet to read it, I highly recommend it, as it has some of the most memorable short stories I&#8217;ve ever read in an anthology.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff VanderMeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff VanderMeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Paul--and for the clarification. I wouldn&#039;t really consider Millhauser, Hoban, or Borges to be &quot;SF&quot;, but I didn&#039;t get a chance to read the whole thing as indicated. Still, I appreciate the corrective.

JV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Paul&#8211;and for the clarification. I wouldn&#8217;t really consider Millhauser, Hoban, or Borges to be &#8220;SF&#8221;, but I didn&#8217;t get a chance to read the whole thing as indicated. Still, I appreciate the corrective.</p>
<p>JV</p>
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		<title>By: Elf M. Sternberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elf M. Sternberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I googled for &#039;Teratoculture&#039; and got exactly one hit, Jeff: Yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I googled for &#8216;Teratoculture&#8217; and got exactly one hit, Jeff: Yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff, thanks for passing the book to Larry, I was really grateful for the review.

But when you say: &quot;although the Kincaid appears to be better suited, in general, to a title of What It Is We Do When We Read British SF&quot; - well, there is a fair bit on British sf because a) it&#039;s an area I specialise in, and b) it tends to be underrepresented in critical works on sf. But I don&#039;t think essays on Steve Erickson, George Turner, Steven Millhouser, Joe Haldeman, Russell Hoban, Jorge Luis Borges, and no less than four pieces on Gene Wolfe can really be considered ignoring the rest of the world ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, thanks for passing the book to Larry, I was really grateful for the review.</p>
<p>But when you say: &#8220;although the Kincaid appears to be better suited, in general, to a title of What It Is We Do When We Read British SF&#8221; &#8211; well, there is a fair bit on British sf because a) it&#8217;s an area I specialise in, and b) it tends to be underrepresented in critical works on sf. But I don&#8217;t think essays on Steve Erickson, George Turner, Steven Millhouser, Joe Haldeman, Russell Hoban, Jorge Luis Borges, and no less than four pieces on Gene Wolfe can really be considered ignoring the rest of the world &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps after dinner and some chores, if this 90º muggy heat doesn&#039;t drain me first!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps after dinner and some chores, if this 90º muggy heat doesn&#8217;t drain me first!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff VanderMeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff VanderMeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look forward to it!

Janie--Yes, all this kerfuffle! For nuthin! Literally!

I&#039;m not afraid to die. I just want it to be quick--like being hit by a truck. Nothing lingering. I figure I&#039;ll live on in at least one book a hundred years from now, in a footnote on page 565: &quot;123 - Not Jeff VanderMeer, who was a squid enthusiast.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look forward to it!</p>
<p>Janie&#8211;Yes, all this kerfuffle! For nuthin! Literally!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not afraid to die. I just want it to be quick&#8211;like being hit by a truck. Nothing lingering. I figure I&#8217;ll live on in at least one book a hundred years from now, in a footnote on page 565: &#8220;123 &#8211; Not Jeff VanderMeer, who was a squid enthusiast.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New book to add to the queue now, it seems...

As for the Kincaid and Mendlesohn books, I purposely left out discussing &quot;grounding a work&quot; in the two reviews, because it is something I want to cover separately.  It&#039;s my own particular bias speaking, I know, but I think cultural groundings have to be done in order for there to be a more complete image done.  Neither Kincaid nor Mendlesohn wanted to do this, therefore I tried to examine their books through their own sets.  But I do think such a grounding might have helped in the case of Mendlesohn&#039;s brief mentions of Faulkner and (now that I think of it) yourself, Jeff.  Hopefully, I&#039;ll have my thoughts written out in full by midweek, if not tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New book to add to the queue now, it seems&#8230;</p>
<p>As for the Kincaid and Mendlesohn books, I purposely left out discussing &#8220;grounding a work&#8221; in the two reviews, because it is something I want to cover separately.  It&#8217;s my own particular bias speaking, I know, but I think cultural groundings have to be done in order for there to be a more complete image done.  Neither Kincaid nor Mendlesohn wanted to do this, therefore I tried to examine their books through their own sets.  But I do think such a grounding might have helped in the case of Mendlesohn&#8217;s brief mentions of Faulkner and (now that I think of it) yourself, Jeff.  Hopefully, I&#8217;ll have my thoughts written out in full by midweek, if not tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Janie Harrison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janie Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And just think, all this, because we are afraid to die, or cannot imagine a world without us. ;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just think, all this, because we are afraid to die, or cannot imagine a world without us. ;&gt;</p>
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