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		<title>By: Happy New Year! &#8211; NextRead</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2008/03/29/reviewing-books/comment-page-1/#comment-28922</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy New Year! &#8211; NextRead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] taking on board some of what James, Mark and Jeff Vandermeer and their commenters have said on blogging and reviewing in the vague hope of getting on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Strategy Node</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2008/03/29/reviewing-books/comment-page-1/#comment-11938</link>
		<dc:creator>Strategy Node</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stayed up until 1 a.m. last night finishing &quot;Zeroville.&quot;  Two concepts which struck me the most were, one, that God hates children, and two, that the doorless church is to keep you in, not out.

Having grown up in a staunchly Mormon family, even serving a two year mission for my church - at my expense - I especially resonate with these concepts.   In all of the religious studying I have done, it has never occurred me that it is always the children that suffer.  Isaac at the hand of Abraham,  Pharaoh in Egypt&#039;s own son and the sons he sent his soldiers to murder,  God sending his own son to suffer, and so on.  In  word, who can possibly believe in a god who demands a father murder his own child.

When someone is raised in a particular religion,  told repeatedly that it is the only true church (as was my case in Mormonism) , it is almost impossible to get out.  Not the organization per se, although that is challenging because they just don&#039;t want to let you go, but the idea of God, Heaven and Hell, the years and years of brainwashing that has  been drilled into your head since childhood.  It takes a long time for the guilt to go away.  Not the guilt that now you are doing things that we strictly forbidden by the organization, but the guilt of wondering if you were wrong to leave that organization, if it were right after all.  If you have turned your back on god.  It&#039;s the notion and existence of god that is hard to get out of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stayed up until 1 a.m. last night finishing &#8220;Zeroville.&#8221;  Two concepts which struck me the most were, one, that God hates children, and two, that the doorless church is to keep you in, not out.</p>
<p>Having grown up in a staunchly Mormon family, even serving a two year mission for my church &#8211; at my expense &#8211; I especially resonate with these concepts.   In all of the religious studying I have done, it has never occurred me that it is always the children that suffer.  Isaac at the hand of Abraham,  Pharaoh in Egypt&#8217;s own son and the sons he sent his soldiers to murder,  God sending his own son to suffer, and so on.  In  word, who can possibly believe in a god who demands a father murder his own child.</p>
<p>When someone is raised in a particular religion,  told repeatedly that it is the only true church (as was my case in Mormonism) , it is almost impossible to get out.  Not the organization per se, although that is challenging because they just don&#8217;t want to let you go, but the idea of God, Heaven and Hell, the years and years of brainwashing that has  been drilled into your head since childhood.  It takes a long time for the guilt to go away.  Not the guilt that now you are doing things that we strictly forbidden by the organization, but the guilt of wondering if you were wrong to leave that organization, if it were right after all.  If you have turned your back on god.  It&#8217;s the notion and existence of god that is hard to get out of.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2008/03/29/reviewing-books/comment-page-1/#comment-9283</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think many reviewers -- of the personal blog kind especially -- fail on the very fundamental level. They do not recognize that 1) their expectation of the book is a poor strating point for the review; 2) there is more than one way to write a good book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think many reviewers &#8212; of the personal blog kind especially &#8212; fail on the very fundamental level. They do not recognize that 1) their expectation of the book is a poor strating point for the review; 2) there is more than one way to write a good book.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think for many, the only &quot;money&quot; they get in reviewing are the review books.  But that&#039;s a topic for another time and place, I suppose, as I&#039;ve grown weary of discussing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think for many, the only &#8220;money&#8221; they get in reviewing are the review books.  But that&#8217;s a topic for another time and place, I suppose, as I&#8217;ve grown weary of discussing that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff VanderMeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff VanderMeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 20:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sara--that cracks me up!

Terry--yes, talk about getting someone else to do the heavy lifting for you! (re that quote, which doesn&#039;t make much sense). I agree about editors. I think editors need to be more proactive. One problem is that there isn&#039;t much money in reviewing, especially outside of places like the Post, etc. 

JV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sara&#8211;that cracks me up!</p>
<p>Terry&#8211;yes, talk about getting someone else to do the heavy lifting for you! (re that quote, which doesn&#8217;t make much sense). I agree about editors. I think editors need to be more proactive. One problem is that there isn&#8217;t much money in reviewing, especially outside of places like the Post, etc. </p>
<p>JV</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Weyna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Weyna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reviewers, not excluding me, often confuse your #3 with their attempts to create a unique voice for their reviewing.  In trying to create a personality for their reviews that will reliably lead readers to know that, if this reviewer likes a book, they are likely to as well, they get too caught up in their own lives and loves and tell too many stories.  It&#039;s a fine line sometimes, especially in the informal world of blogging.

As to #5, don&#039;t know if you&#039;re following the 2008 Tournament of Books, but one reviewer started her comparison of Marianne Wiggins&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Shadow Catcher&lt;/i&gt; and Brock Clarke&#039;s &lt;i&gt;An Arsonist&#039;s Guide to Writers&#039; Homes in New England&lt;/i&gt; thusly:

&quot;Fredric Jameson says of Adorno’s use of Freud: 

&#039;Neurosis is simply this boring imprisonment of the self in itself, crippled by its terror of the new and unexpected, carrying its sameness with it wherever it goes, so that it has the protection of feeling, whatever it might stretch out its hand to touch, that it never meets anything but what it knows already.&#039;

&quot;He might have been writing of The Shadow Catcher and An Arsonist’s Guide to Writers’ Homes in New England.&quot;

I confess that, despite 45 years of constant reading (starting at age 6), an undergraduate degree in English, a graduate degree in law, a few post-graduate classes in literary criticism just for fun, and so forth, I hadn&#039;t the faintest idea what the hell the reviewer was getting at.

Finally, I&#039;ve said this before and elsewhere, but I think that a reviewer&#039;s best helper is an editor.  It&#039;s also the hardest thing to come across in this day and age, it seems, and more so if you&#039;re a decent writer to begin with (that is, one who has some facility with grammar and sentence/paragraph structure, and therefore requires little basic line editing, as opposed to some more sophisticated work on how to write a better review).  So one simply soldiers on, hoping to improve with experience.  After all, the more you write, the better you get, or so the theory goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reviewers, not excluding me, often confuse your #3 with their attempts to create a unique voice for their reviewing.  In trying to create a personality for their reviews that will reliably lead readers to know that, if this reviewer likes a book, they are likely to as well, they get too caught up in their own lives and loves and tell too many stories.  It&#8217;s a fine line sometimes, especially in the informal world of blogging.</p>
<p>As to #5, don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;re following the 2008 Tournament of Books, but one reviewer started her comparison of Marianne Wiggins&#8217;s <i>The Shadow Catcher</i> and Brock Clarke&#8217;s <i>An Arsonist&#8217;s Guide to Writers&#8217; Homes in New England</i> thusly:</p>
<p>&#8220;Fredric Jameson says of Adorno’s use of Freud: </p>
<p>&#8216;Neurosis is simply this boring imprisonment of the self in itself, crippled by its terror of the new and unexpected, carrying its sameness with it wherever it goes, so that it has the protection of feeling, whatever it might stretch out its hand to touch, that it never meets anything but what it knows already.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8220;He might have been writing of The Shadow Catcher and An Arsonist’s Guide to Writers’ Homes in New England.&#8221;</p>
<p>I confess that, despite 45 years of constant reading (starting at age 6), an undergraduate degree in English, a graduate degree in law, a few post-graduate classes in literary criticism just for fun, and so forth, I hadn&#8217;t the faintest idea what the hell the reviewer was getting at.</p>
<p>Finally, I&#8217;ve said this before and elsewhere, but I think that a reviewer&#8217;s best helper is an editor.  It&#8217;s also the hardest thing to come across in this day and age, it seems, and more so if you&#8217;re a decent writer to begin with (that is, one who has some facility with grammar and sentence/paragraph structure, and therefore requires little basic line editing, as opposed to some more sophisticated work on how to write a better review).  So one simply soldiers on, hoping to improve with experience.  After all, the more you write, the better you get, or so the theory goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the most hilarious documentaries I&#039;ve ever seen was a NFB Canada documentary done by some woman intent on seeing Surfacing as some kind of manifestation of Margaret Atwood&#039;s psyche. The director really didn&#039;t get what she wanted, and the documentary turned into something other than what she had planned, I suspect. And Atwood is gloriously pointed in her commentary, as usual ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most hilarious documentaries I&#8217;ve ever seen was a NFB Canada documentary done by some woman intent on seeing Surfacing as some kind of manifestation of Margaret Atwood&#8217;s psyche. The director really didn&#8217;t get what she wanted, and the documentary turned into something other than what she had planned, I suspect. And Atwood is gloriously pointed in her commentary, as usual ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 07:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff---

Yes, but I think they are less likely to actually be working with some of the writers, editors and publishers. Because many writers are also editors and many of the publishers are the people we send books to. It is true that in a perfect world this wouldn&#039;t change anything. But I think most people are not that open-minded. That is one reason I think most people really don&#039;t say what they think.

On another note, I think reviewers in general try to take on a sort of fair and balanced approach, which mimics the MSM. You are not allowed to simply pan a book, but have to look for something positive to say. In the same way you can&#039;t just praise a book.

It all sort of reminds me of those progress assessments many people get at their jobs (or sometimes you fill them out yourself), where you have to list &quot;accomplishments&quot; as well as &quot;areas for improvement&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff&#8212;</p>
<p>Yes, but I think they are less likely to actually be working with some of the writers, editors and publishers. Because many writers are also editors and many of the publishers are the people we send books to. It is true that in a perfect world this wouldn&#8217;t change anything. But I think most people are not that open-minded. That is one reason I think most people really don&#8217;t say what they think.</p>
<p>On another note, I think reviewers in general try to take on a sort of fair and balanced approach, which mimics the MSM. You are not allowed to simply pan a book, but have to look for something positive to say. In the same way you can&#8217;t just praise a book.</p>
<p>It all sort of reminds me of those progress assessments many people get at their jobs (or sometimes you fill them out yourself), where you have to list &#8220;accomplishments&#8221; as well as &#8220;areas for improvement&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2,500 words... Wow, that&#039;s 10 pages. 

Anyways, great post, but when a book is REALLY bad I think sarcasm is welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2,500 words&#8230; Wow, that&#8217;s 10 pages. </p>
<p>Anyways, great post, but when a book is REALLY bad I think sarcasm is welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 23:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to have my trepidation of wounding another&#039;s feelings from a negative review almost beaten out of me in grad school.  Nothing says learning how to critique and accept that it&#039;s natural and often divorced from personal feelings as sitting in a room while another grad student reads aloud the problems found with your monograph.  After that experience, I&#039;ve come to see any criticism as being more palatable than that, and even that public critique was bearable and I learned a lot.

But I do agree that a great many who write or review (or both) do fear hurting another&#039;s opinions.  But if we&#039;re so conscientious of that as to prevent us from giving an honest appraisal that might help another with his/her writing/reviews, then what will they (or us) learn in the process?  It&#039;s just one of those situations with nary an easy answer, I fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to have my trepidation of wounding another&#8217;s feelings from a negative review almost beaten out of me in grad school.  Nothing says learning how to critique and accept that it&#8217;s natural and often divorced from personal feelings as sitting in a room while another grad student reads aloud the problems found with your monograph.  After that experience, I&#8217;ve come to see any criticism as being more palatable than that, and even that public critique was bearable and I learned a lot.</p>
<p>But I do agree that a great many who write or review (or both) do fear hurting another&#8217;s opinions.  But if we&#8217;re so conscientious of that as to prevent us from giving an honest appraisal that might help another with his/her writing/reviews, then what will they (or us) learn in the process?  It&#8217;s just one of those situations with nary an easy answer, I fear.</p>
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