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		<title>By: Ren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John-- I think it&#039;s not the quality of the scene&#039;s female participants that is at stake here (though you certainly do put forth a good selection).  It&#039;s that metal in a lot of its forms does indeed look backward nostalgically on a pastoral neverland, created and recreated for a minority of people,  and is specific about its desire for power and heroism. Power and heroism, in fantasy and in real life, are not something usually achieved by women to much male fanfare. To take that hypothesis further, I would even say that women creating metal and fantasy can bend and even turn the genre into something new by creating it with eyes that are not the normal target audience. 

It&#039;s a question of who metal and its literary cousin fantasy are being written for, and who they get written by, and who they are about.  No prizes for guessing the three. Now none of this kind of rigid gender bordering is so pressingly relevant, not with Bradley and Le Guin and the mainstreaming of female-created fantasy, but it it completely fascinating.
Actually, don&#039;t read this and re-read Erika&#039;s post, she got it concisely. 

As for Perdido-- what an interesting thesis. I think I read it that way too; the story isn&#039;t about the individual characters so much as it is about conflicting systems of culture and government.  That&#039;s really what I love about good fantasy. Its ability to evoke entire cultures succintly and with great imaginative power is what keeps me reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8211; I think it&#8217;s not the quality of the scene&#8217;s female participants that is at stake here (though you certainly do put forth a good selection).  It&#8217;s that metal in a lot of its forms does indeed look backward nostalgically on a pastoral neverland, created and recreated for a minority of people,  and is specific about its desire for power and heroism. Power and heroism, in fantasy and in real life, are not something usually achieved by women to much male fanfare. To take that hypothesis further, I would even say that women creating metal and fantasy can bend and even turn the genre into something new by creating it with eyes that are not the normal target audience. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a question of who metal and its literary cousin fantasy are being written for, and who they get written by, and who they are about.  No prizes for guessing the three. Now none of this kind of rigid gender bordering is so pressingly relevant, not with Bradley and Le Guin and the mainstreaming of female-created fantasy, but it it completely fascinating.<br />
Actually, don&#8217;t read this and re-read Erika&#8217;s post, she got it concisely. </p>
<p>As for Perdido&#8211; what an interesting thesis. I think I read it that way too; the story isn&#8217;t about the individual characters so much as it is about conflicting systems of culture and government.  That&#8217;s really what I love about good fantasy. Its ability to evoke entire cultures succintly and with great imaginative power is what keeps me reading.</p>
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		<title>By: John Coulthart</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Coulthart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: China. His first novel, King Rat, is fuelled by the drum&#039;n&#039;bass scene isn&#039;t it? Just as much energy and excitement as metal but comes out of black music, specifically dancehall reggae and breakbeats. Electronic music has shown itself to be perfectly capable of providing the power and fury of rock while sidestepping the cliches that plague the rock world.

Erika: UK punk had a lot of women up front as well: Siouxsie, Poly Styrene, The Slits (all-women group), The Raincoats (another one), Gaye Advert, Eve Libertine, etc. All the UK metal scene of that period produced was Girlschool who were a good band but were regarded as an exception that proved the rule of male dominance in the metal world. UK Punk was slightly more tolerant sexually (it came out of the Roxy/Bowie/Iggy glam axis) and a lot more tolerant racially with numerous ties to the London reggae scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: China. His first novel, King Rat, is fuelled by the drum&#8217;n'bass scene isn&#8217;t it? Just as much energy and excitement as metal but comes out of black music, specifically dancehall reggae and breakbeats. Electronic music has shown itself to be perfectly capable of providing the power and fury of rock while sidestepping the cliches that plague the rock world.</p>
<p>Erika: UK punk had a lot of women up front as well: Siouxsie, Poly Styrene, The Slits (all-women group), The Raincoats (another one), Gaye Advert, Eve Libertine, etc. All the UK metal scene of that period produced was Girlschool who were a good band but were regarded as an exception that proved the rule of male dominance in the metal world. UK Punk was slightly more tolerant sexually (it came out of the Roxy/Bowie/Iggy glam axis) and a lot more tolerant racially with numerous ties to the London reggae scene.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised that no one has mentioned gender yet, seeing as how metal has got to be just about the least gender-balanced genre of music there is.  Metal captures the fears and dreams of marginalized masculinity.  Most metal looks backward, and what it&#039;s trying to reclaim most of all is *power* -- personal power.  Speed, strength, flair, swagger, heroism: the ability of the individual to make his mark on the world.  Metal is conservative in its artistry, too; metalheads worship virtuosity.  Like John C. says above, punk, in contrast, embraced experimentalism to the point of questioning the very nature of music. But metal knows exactly what music is, and what a goddamn guitar is, and if you want respect you&#039;d better learn how to play it exceedingly well.

All if this is not to say that women can&#039;t and don&#039;t love metal, because clearly they do, just the way that women like me love sword-and-sorcery (the most metal genre of writing, for my money).  But there&#039;s something extra poignant about being nostalgic for something that your gender never had much opportunity to participate in in the first place. 

Finally, since some people mention China Mieville upthread, I think it&#039;s interesting to examine Perdido Street Station in light of my analysis of metal. The book is supremely metal in its style (speed, strength, swagger, virtuosity...), but anti-metal in its soul, since it pretty much denies the efficacy of personal heroism and exposes it as a myth.  True power resides in systems, and always has. (If I&#039;m reading it right.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised that no one has mentioned gender yet, seeing as how metal has got to be just about the least gender-balanced genre of music there is.  Metal captures the fears and dreams of marginalized masculinity.  Most metal looks backward, and what it&#8217;s trying to reclaim most of all is *power* &#8212; personal power.  Speed, strength, flair, swagger, heroism: the ability of the individual to make his mark on the world.  Metal is conservative in its artistry, too; metalheads worship virtuosity.  Like John C. says above, punk, in contrast, embraced experimentalism to the point of questioning the very nature of music. But metal knows exactly what music is, and what a goddamn guitar is, and if you want respect you&#8217;d better learn how to play it exceedingly well.</p>
<p>All if this is not to say that women can&#8217;t and don&#8217;t love metal, because clearly they do, just the way that women like me love sword-and-sorcery (the most metal genre of writing, for my money).  But there&#8217;s something extra poignant about being nostalgic for something that your gender never had much opportunity to participate in in the first place. </p>
<p>Finally, since some people mention China Mieville upthread, I think it&#8217;s interesting to examine Perdido Street Station in light of my analysis of metal. The book is supremely metal in its style (speed, strength, swagger, virtuosity&#8230;), but anti-metal in its soul, since it pretty much denies the efficacy of personal heroism and exposes it as a myth.  True power resides in systems, and always has. (If I&#8217;m reading it right.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Coulthart</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Coulthart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term Heavy Metal when applied to music comes via Sandy Pearlman in the late Sixties who swiped the words from William Burroughs and his Heavy Metal Kid. So there&#039;s a direct lineage there between metal and sf if you accept (as I do) that Burroughs was writing his own brand of sf. It always gives me a sly chuckle when I run across any homophobic teens who love metal music but have no idea who inspired the name of the genre they obsess over. 

Despite that lineage, I&#039;d be wary of applying &quot;metal&quot; as a description simply because it&#039;s such a conservative genre. John Peel once compared metal to country and western since they were both popular with people living outside cities and both forms of music assume that nothing ever changes. Punk had the same energy but--for a time--was a lot more open and experimental, Cabaret Voltaire and Throbbing Gristle were ostensibly punk to begin with yet had nothing to do with rock. (They were both inspired by William Burroughs as well.) Energy and breaking the rules: however you label it, we can always use more of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term Heavy Metal when applied to music comes via Sandy Pearlman in the late Sixties who swiped the words from William Burroughs and his Heavy Metal Kid. So there&#8217;s a direct lineage there between metal and sf if you accept (as I do) that Burroughs was writing his own brand of sf. It always gives me a sly chuckle when I run across any homophobic teens who love metal music but have no idea who inspired the name of the genre they obsess over. </p>
<p>Despite that lineage, I&#8217;d be wary of applying &#8220;metal&#8221; as a description simply because it&#8217;s such a conservative genre. John Peel once compared metal to country and western since they were both popular with people living outside cities and both forms of music assume that nothing ever changes. Punk had the same energy but&#8211;for a time&#8211;was a lot more open and experimental, Cabaret Voltaire and Throbbing Gristle were ostensibly punk to begin with yet had nothing to do with rock. (They were both inspired by William Burroughs as well.) Energy and breaking the rules: however you label it, we can always use more of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Veronica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veronica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve actually given a lot of thought to this.  And on the one hand, yeah, you&#039;re right, writing is fundamentally boring and uncool.  But I think that the activity of writing itself is the wrong place to direct our attention.  As much as I adore Joe Strummer, I&#039;m not necessarily convinced that sitting around a rehearsal studio watching him stretched out prone on the floor as he scribbles lyrics down on the back of an envelope or something would necessarily be more compelling than watching me sitting on the subway chewing my pen and scrawling things in my little black notebook.  Except insofar as Strummer was just a completely compelling and amazing human beings, and watching him breathing was probably wildly more fascinating than watching me breathe, of course.  But the physical and intellectual act of writing itself is always kind of...dull.

Coolness, excitement, to a real extent, punk and rock&#039;n&#039;roll in all forms is in the &lt;i&gt;performance&lt;/i&gt;.  And I do think that writers should do more performances, or as we call them, readings.  But that leads to another question, namely:

&lt;b&gt;Why are so many readings so goddamn boring?&lt;/i&gt;

We&#039;ve all been there, right?  At a poetry or prose reading during which the reader(s) mumble in a low tone, keep their eyes fixed firmly on their papers, are clearly wearing old jeans and a crumpled gray t-shirt just because they happened to be on top in their dresser drawers.  Writing would be cooler if we acted like it was cooler.  And you know what else we need?  &lt;i&gt;Alcohol.&lt;/i&gt;  And those dinky little plastic cups with three inches of cheap red wine in them &lt;i&gt;are not cutting it.&lt;/i&gt;  I think matters could be improved if all writers had to knock back two shots of bourbon before going on at readings and if all readings took place at bars.  

But ultimately, music has a lot that writing doesn&#039;t have, and that we can&#039;t get.  A more urgent, direct, visceral connection to emotional experience and passion.  A beat.  And the chemistry inherent in a band.  Music is almost always the result of several people creating together, feeding and sparking off each other&#039;s energy, but writing is usually such a solitary process, and I think that keeps us from the kind of exciting spontaneity that makes music catch fire.

And, hey, MattD, that was exactly what I was going for and wanting in &quot;Rats,&quot; so reading you spontaneously bringing it up made my damn day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve actually given a lot of thought to this.  And on the one hand, yeah, you&#8217;re right, writing is fundamentally boring and uncool.  But I think that the activity of writing itself is the wrong place to direct our attention.  As much as I adore Joe Strummer, I&#8217;m not necessarily convinced that sitting around a rehearsal studio watching him stretched out prone on the floor as he scribbles lyrics down on the back of an envelope or something would necessarily be more compelling than watching me sitting on the subway chewing my pen and scrawling things in my little black notebook.  Except insofar as Strummer was just a completely compelling and amazing human beings, and watching him breathing was probably wildly more fascinating than watching me breathe, of course.  But the physical and intellectual act of writing itself is always kind of&#8230;dull.</p>
<p>Coolness, excitement, to a real extent, punk and rock&#8217;n'roll in all forms is in the <i>performance</i>.  And I do think that writers should do more performances, or as we call them, readings.  But that leads to another question, namely:</p>
<p><b>Why are so many readings so goddamn boring?</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve all been there, right?  At a poetry or prose reading during which the reader(s) mumble in a low tone, keep their eyes fixed firmly on their papers, are clearly wearing old jeans and a crumpled gray t-shirt just because they happened to be on top in their dresser drawers.  Writing would be cooler if we acted like it was cooler.  And you know what else we need?  <i>Alcohol.</i>  And those dinky little plastic cups with three inches of cheap red wine in them <i>are not cutting it.</i>  I think matters could be improved if all writers had to knock back two shots of bourbon before going on at readings and if all readings took place at bars.  </p>
<p>But ultimately, music has a lot that writing doesn&#8217;t have, and that we can&#8217;t get.  A more urgent, direct, visceral connection to emotional experience and passion.  A beat.  And the chemistry inherent in a band.  Music is almost always the result of several people creating together, feeding and sparking off each other&#8217;s energy, but writing is usually such a solitary process, and I think that keeps us from the kind of exciting spontaneity that makes music catch fire.</p>
<p>And, hey, MattD, that was exactly what I was going for and wanting in &#8220;Rats,&#8221; so reading you spontaneously bringing it up made my damn day.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Paul Jessup: metal is not always about anger or fantasy.  Metal is about energy, it&#039;s about adrenaline, it&#039;s about the violent release of energy, of emotion (not necessarily of frustration)--just check out the burgeoning Christian metalcore scene for evidence.

Cat&#039;s reference to Perdido Street Station caught me, because, for me, that reading experience was closest to listening to metal.  Not, though, because of anger, or frustration, but because of the sense of urgency, the mad dash of text across the page, the level with which it insisted its own existence into my headspace.  In many ways Perdido is a mess of a novel, it&#039;s certainly one of Mieville&#039;s loosest structurally, but it doesn&#039;t matter, because it&#039;s SO GODDAMN METAL.  Metal is a mess.  You can&#039;t release like that without it getting messy.  The trick is to make the mess part of the art.  The mess is, as Cat says, often the result of careful planning.

Writing should be like metal because metal is insistent, it refuses to be ignored.  Love it or loathe it Perdido and its effect on the fantasy landscape can&#039;t be ignored.  After all the sweat and blood, who wants their writing ignored?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Paul Jessup: metal is not always about anger or fantasy.  Metal is about energy, it&#8217;s about adrenaline, it&#8217;s about the violent release of energy, of emotion (not necessarily of frustration)&#8211;just check out the burgeoning Christian metalcore scene for evidence.</p>
<p>Cat&#8217;s reference to Perdido Street Station caught me, because, for me, that reading experience was closest to listening to metal.  Not, though, because of anger, or frustration, but because of the sense of urgency, the mad dash of text across the page, the level with which it insisted its own existence into my headspace.  In many ways Perdido is a mess of a novel, it&#8217;s certainly one of Mieville&#8217;s loosest structurally, but it doesn&#8217;t matter, because it&#8217;s SO GODDAMN METAL.  Metal is a mess.  You can&#8217;t release like that without it getting messy.  The trick is to make the mess part of the art.  The mess is, as Cat says, often the result of careful planning.</p>
<p>Writing should be like metal because metal is insistent, it refuses to be ignored.  Love it or loathe it Perdido and its effect on the fantasy landscape can&#8217;t be ignored.  After all the sweat and blood, who wants their writing ignored?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As fantasy-oriented heavy metal is one of my guilty pleasures, I can&#039;t help but agree with this comment.  From 3 Inches of Blood to Rhapsody to Iced Earth to Running Wild (and on and on and on...), the metal/fantasy crossover is pretty well-trodden ground.  Now I won&#039;t say that it&#039;s sophisticated metal or sophisticated fantasy in a lot of the cases, but I don&#039;t think that this conversation is about judging quality so much as qualities, if that makes any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As fantasy-oriented heavy metal is one of my guilty pleasures, I can&#8217;t help but agree with this comment.  From 3 Inches of Blood to Rhapsody to Iced Earth to Running Wild (and on and on and on&#8230;), the metal/fantasy crossover is pretty well-trodden ground.  Now I won&#8217;t say that it&#8217;s sophisticated metal or sophisticated fantasy in a lot of the cases, but I don&#8217;t think that this conversation is about judging quality so much as qualities, if that makes any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As other have noted, the range of subgenres and sounds marching under the Metal banner implies that music-wise, assuming one likes both Metal and Fantasy, it requires little effort or imagination to view the relationship as symbiotic rather than one way. Even if we abandoned the singular M and narrowed things down even further into such rigid classifications as Recently Produced Viking Themed Metal, there would remain the issue that two such bands, Leave&#039;s Eyes and Amon Amarth, sound nothing like one another. While in the steampunk post someone was a sour-blanket about the use of sub-genres and the insistence that labels are arbitrary, etc., in terms of scouring out what you like amongst the infinite possibilities lumping disparate things under one heading is, to me at least, a necessary evil. Certainly some of the best of the best in terms of music, books and on and on are those which contort out of the molds of their genres into others or indescribable amalgamations of severalâ€¦but you have to start somewhere.

While Helloween is most assuredly not my idea of a good time, they are indeed correct that Heavy Metal Is The Law--or so I subscribed in High School, and to some extent today. Rather than Anger, I would argue that Excitement is one of the key characteristics of most Metal, and good Fantasy is rarely unexciting. By which Iâ€™m speaking of Metal the abstract and Fantasy the genre. Muddled though my thoughts clearly are on this, I firmly believe that the specter of Robert E. Howard would get down to some Dio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As other have noted, the range of subgenres and sounds marching under the Metal banner implies that music-wise, assuming one likes both Metal and Fantasy, it requires little effort or imagination to view the relationship as symbiotic rather than one way. Even if we abandoned the singular M and narrowed things down even further into such rigid classifications as Recently Produced Viking Themed Metal, there would remain the issue that two such bands, Leave&#8217;s Eyes and Amon Amarth, sound nothing like one another. While in the steampunk post someone was a sour-blanket about the use of sub-genres and the insistence that labels are arbitrary, etc., in terms of scouring out what you like amongst the infinite possibilities lumping disparate things under one heading is, to me at least, a necessary evil. Certainly some of the best of the best in terms of music, books and on and on are those which contort out of the molds of their genres into others or indescribable amalgamations of severalâ€¦but you have to start somewhere.</p>
<p>While Helloween is most assuredly not my idea of a good time, they are indeed correct that Heavy Metal Is The Law&#8211;or so I subscribed in High School, and to some extent today. Rather than Anger, I would argue that Excitement is one of the key characteristics of most Metal, and good Fantasy is rarely unexciting. By which Iâ€™m speaking of Metal the abstract and Fantasy the genre. Muddled though my thoughts clearly are on this, I firmly believe that the specter of Robert E. Howard would get down to some Dio.</p>
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		<title>By: MattD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Metal as an adjective meaning awesome (meaning arete) is bigger than just a one-to-one musical analogy though.&quot;

Drat, and we were all having so much fun trying to come up with correspondences!

I think arete in fantasy can be tough because so much fantasy uses symbols that have existed for so long.  Often I&#039;ll read a fantasy book and it&#039;ll be...okay...but I&#039;ll have the nagging feeling that the book could have done more because it used symbols that I&#039;ve seen more/different/better things done with.  The most &quot;metal&quot; fantasy for me tends to come from authors who are willing to create their own symbols, use lesser known symbols as their own, or remake known symbols as something new.

This is also why I think the personal is so important in fantasy: the more personal a fantasy is, the more it need only represent the individual author&#039;s sense of the world in a way that feels true and fulfilling to the reader.  Fantasy written without a great deal of personality feels to me as though it must live up to the potential of fantasy in general, as a collective body of work, which is too much for most books to even sniff at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Metal as an adjective meaning awesome (meaning arete) is bigger than just a one-to-one musical analogy though.&#8221;</p>
<p>Drat, and we were all having so much fun trying to come up with correspondences!</p>
<p>I think arete in fantasy can be tough because so much fantasy uses symbols that have existed for so long.  Often I&#8217;ll read a fantasy book and it&#8217;ll be&#8230;okay&#8230;but I&#8217;ll have the nagging feeling that the book could have done more because it used symbols that I&#8217;ve seen more/different/better things done with.  The most &#8220;metal&#8221; fantasy for me tends to come from authors who are willing to create their own symbols, use lesser known symbols as their own, or remake known symbols as something new.</p>
<p>This is also why I think the personal is so important in fantasy: the more personal a fantasy is, the more it need only represent the individual author&#8217;s sense of the world in a way that feels true and fulfilling to the reader.  Fantasy written without a great deal of personality feels to me as though it must live up to the potential of fantasy in general, as a collective body of work, which is too much for most books to even sniff at.</p>
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		<title>By: novalis</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about The Iron Dragon&#039;s Daughter as metal fantasy?</description>
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